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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sounds like a plan. We will pursue it through the <a
href="mailto:consulting@freeswith.org">consulting@freeswith.org</a> route.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Brian.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Anthony Minessale
[mailto:anthony.minessale@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 18, 2009 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_conference scalability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I am more than sure there is
probably plenty of room for conference optimizations it's just a big task.<br>
We don't have a test labbed up and an urgency to work on it. If you
really want us to pursue trying to improve the performance perhaps you can
contact us at <a href="mailto:consulting@freeswitch.org">consulting@freeswitch.org</a>
and provide us with access your test environment and let us investigate the
possibility of making improvements.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Brian <<a
href="mailto:brian@proximosystems.com">brian@proximosystems.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the invite, but I can’t make
it on the call. Anyway, I’m not sure if discussing my specific case is meant
for that type of call, is it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>After Brian’s suggestion to use
shoutcast and local streams, I was looking at the code for those modules. I’m
not familiar with shoutcast or icecast capabilities, so I don’t know if they
can just pass though my audio stream unchanged (as uLaw packets). I want to
avoid converting from uLaw to mp3 on the source server, and then back from mp3
to uLaw (or whatever phone codec) on the other server. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I was wondering if maybe there was a way
to make a stream out of an existing channel, and have all the other channels
just listen to that stream. It would be sort of halfway between conference and
shoutcast. I would call in to the secondary server like I already do, but only
instead of entering into a conference as a speaker, the channel would just
start producing a local audio stream for the listener channels to tap into. It
would avoid the need to have another piece of software to manage (shoutcast or
icecast), and my support team would be happier...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>However, I would still need to do tests
for the streaming idea to see how that scales...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Brian.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'> Michael Collins [mailto:<a
href="mailto:msc@freeswitch.org" target="_blank">msc@freeswitch.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 18, 2009 2:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org"
target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_conference scalability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Brian <<a
href="mailto:brian@proximosystems.com" target="_blank">brian@proximosystems.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I was evaluating the technologies
available, and I thought you would be interested in my results. However, almost
every other reply I get from you to my posts, rather than being helpful, has
been hostile and insulting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
for your input. Just so you know, Tony deals with people on a near daily basis
who want to spend time doing crazy schemes under the guise of "load testing"
or "researching a new solution" which are not grounded in reality. At
first blush this scenario sounded like one of those schemes. However it
definitely looks like you've built a test scenario that mimics reality better
than most. I think we can give you a pass for not being able to get 500 people
all at once to call in every time you need to test. :) <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My scenario is not a hypothetical one of
“having robots call the conference in a way that probably does not match
reality”. In fact, this will very much reflect the reality of the application
I’m building. Only instead of 300 listeners, I need to scale to over 2000
listeners minimum – per event, with possibly more than one concurrent event. I
want to pack as many listeners on one server as I can. I’m trying to find a
real solution to a real problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That
kind of volume suggests that the icecast style solution would be best. It takes
much less resources to send audio in one direction than it does to mix audio
from multiple parties. I like bkw's initial suggestion of transferring a
caller to the conference only when he/she needs to speak, such as to ask a
question. Like Tony mentioned, his focus is on quality not quantity, so
mod_conference probably isn't the best tool for this scenario.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I work with other open source projects
and fund enhancements or fixes I need. FreeSWITCH would be no different. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Excellent!
It looks like we don't already have a canned solution, obviously, but as bkw
likes to say, all the Lego bricks are there to build the solution. Hop on
IRC (#freeswitch in <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a>)
or join the weekly conference which is going on right now and you might catch
some of the devs and leading community members and you can chat in real-time
about your challenges. (<a
href="http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/FS_weekly_2009_12_14" target="_blank">http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/FS_weekly_2009_12_14</a>)<br>
<br>
-Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
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