One man's stable release is another man's 6 month old release with hundreds of known fixed bugs.<br>If one of the core developers tells you to try it, you may as well take the time to try it now that you have opened a forum questioning the scalability.<br>
<br>When you tested asterisk did you actually use 600 phones and verify that each one can hear the audio perfectly and in time with what the speaker was saying? Did you try same on FS? <br><br>Did you optimize your dialplan on FS to deal with a load test or follow any of the recommended performance tuning page.<br>
<br>All of the answers to these questions are really moot because we have a policy against entertaining load testing questions but if you like asterisk, by all means, use it, and good luck to you if those numbers you are testing at are what you plan to put in real production.........<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Brian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian@proximosystems.com">brian@proximosystems.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Mike,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I didn’t get around to testing on the FreeSWITCH trunk yet.
Are there substantial fixes to mod_conference in the FreeSWITCH trunk that
might increase capacity for my scenario of one speaker and many listeners? If I
want to put this into a production environment, I would need a stable version,
which as far as I know is the 1.0.4 version.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, I did test on Asterisk 1.4 using app_conference, and
doing the same scenario was able to get 1 speaker and 600 listeners on a single
conference with no audio issues. The CPU at that point was just over 300%, same
as where the single conference scenario failed on FreeSWITCH with 300 listeners.
I was able to push it to over 700 listeners before I reached 400% CPU
usage (I guess maxing out my quad-core processors), and asterisk finally
crashed. But up until that point, there were no audio problems. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve read a lot about how FreeSWITCH is supposed to be
more scalable than Asterisk, but unless there is something wrong with my
FreeSWITCH setup, Asterisk was clearly the winner in this test – more than
doubling FreeSWITCH capacity in this case. Again, maybe there is something on
the FreeSWITCH side that I’m doing wrong, but I don’t see what it
could be.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Brian.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> Michael Jerris [mailto:<a href="mailto:mike@jerris.com" target="_blank">mike@jerris.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org" target="_blank">freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_conference scalability</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be curious what the same tests produce with svn
trunk of FreeSWITCH.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 16, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Brian wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I’m
new to FreeSWITCH and I’m testing the scalability of mod_conference to
see if it will scale better that other solutions. My scenario is to have one
speaker, and many listeners (mute). Since I have only one speaker, I was
expecting this to scale well because there is no audio mixing required, just
send each frame of the single speaker to each listener. Unfortunately, my
testing was disappointing, and it didn’t scale nearly as well as
I’d hoped (based on what I’ve read on how FreeSWITCH is supposed to
be generally very scalable).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Here’s
my server setup is this:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">FreeSWITCH
1.0.4, 64 bit CentOS 5.3, on a quad-core Xeon server, 4 Gig of RAM. I’ve
set file logging to “notice” level. My conference profile is
configured to suppress several events, hoping that it would improve performance.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Here
are a few scenarios I tested, and roughly where I reached the point of audio
failure on the conferences:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Scenario
1:</span></p>
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conference, 1 speaker, audio failed at approx 300 listeners (mute)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Scenario
2:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">4
conferences, 1 speaker per conference, audio failed approx 110 listeners per
conference (so just over 400 total channels on the system).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Scenario
3:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">16
conferences, 1 speaker per conference, audio failed at 32 listeners per
conference (so just over 500 total channels on the system).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Looking
at the output from “top”, it seems that in all 3 scenarios, the
audio quality failed when the % CPU for the FreeSWITCH process exceeded 300%.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I
was hoping maybe someone else might have done similar testing, or maybe has
suggestions on how to improve the performance. Or perhaps an alternate solution
to the one speaker, many listener case?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thanks,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Brian.</span></p>
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