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color=#0000ff size=2>This is a really ironic post, Seven. :-) I agree with all
your points.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>A while ago I started the TCAPI project to build a
front-end for FreeSWITCH. I very quickly got inundated with debates about
framework and language. These debates were initially appreciated but at some
point we needed to decide & move on. The real work to be done was, as you
point out, in design of the application business logic, interface and actually
coding it up and putting it together. So we decided to go a bit radio silent and
and focus on a few developers who were willing to build out the foundational
pieces of the MVC architecture, and to let you create FreeSWITCH config files
and general database and software modules with a set of standardized, simple to
use libraries/APIs. Once we are done with that, the intention was to release it
to those who wanted to help build the pieces related to modules in FreeSWITCH.
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That project is about 6 weeks from release into beta, give or take a few
weeks (hey, it's software dev! heh who's ever on time?).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So anyone who is on here reading this and might be
interested in contributing code to an already very active FreeSWITCH GUI
development project please feel free to contact me - we are now accepting
serious developer inquiries.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The project is in PHP and uses two pretty nifty frameworks
(we, as you point out, couldn't find exactly what we were looking for, so we
merged two libraries that fit the bill very nicely). It is database agnostic and
is designed to work on Windows or Linux so don't let that be a barrier to
participation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This will be an open source project for all, btw. I will be
presenting on it at the upcoming ClueCon, warts and all, so you should go
register and then you can participate in the demo/tutorial!
:-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366342710-05062009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Darren</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> seven [mailto:dujinfang@gmail.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 05, 2009 1:26 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Freeswitch-users]
WikiPBX Installation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Collins wrote:<BR
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Matthew Lockwood <SPAN
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href="mailto:matthew.lockwood@gmail.com">matthew.lockwood@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">That
would involve me learning a totally new framework. It'll not the hardest
code I'll ever write by far, so I'm okay coding it up on my own. However, I
definitely need a lot of help from fabulous designers to actually make the
interface pretty and useable. Plus, I'm only one person and will need a lot
of feedback to create something that rocks - everybody has a different use
case and I can't foresee how everybody will use it, so that kind of feedback
will go into re-engineering it. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>If you guys are serious about this then I would like to make a few
suggestions that might be obvious but for the sake of the project we'll make
them explicitly obvious.<BR><BR>First, before deciding what framework to use,
it would be good to hold some discussions about what the GUI actually needs to
do:<BR>What are the design goals? <BR>Will it be just for setting up
extensions and the dialplan? Or will it go much farther than that? <BR>Will
you be using mod_xml_curl for everything? If so, what database(s) will you
support? <BR>Are you going to have extra goodies like an IVR builder? <BR>A
'visual voicemail' page? <BR>A user portal? <BR>Management interface to 'spy'
on users? <BR>A CDR/call accounting system? <BR>FIFO and/or ACD queue
management? <BR></DIV></DIV>MOH and sound files management?</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>and conference management</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><BR>It's okay to start small and build your way
out, but you need to know before you start building what the grand scheme will
be. The larger the goals of the project, the narrower your choices for a
framework that can do it all. The simple fact of the matter is that if you
want to use a MVC web framework then you have a somewhat limited number of
choices. You need a MVC WF that fits your needs, which means it needs to be at
least somewhat flexible. If you want a pretty GUI then you need to decide if
you want a rich Internet application (RIA) front end like AIR, or do you want
something along the lines of XHTML/CSS/JS and use a platform like Dojo which
gives you cross-browser widgets and tools. All of this on top of the fact that
if you want volunteers to assist you will need to pick something that people
either know or can learn quickly.<BR><BR>Oh, and be prepared for people to
give you unsolicited opinions about all sorts of things. :) <BR><BR>All that
being said, I say go for it. Find what works for you and see what happens. Be
sure to use #freeswitch-gui. If this really takes off I'm sure that we could
even start a mailing list for GUI development. <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Once the goals and features decided I think more ppl can join and work this
out together.</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
type="cite">Enjoy!<BR>-MC<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Freeswitch-users
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