[Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list

Lawrence Conroy lconroy at insensate.co.uk
Fri Feb 3 15:13:59 UTC 2023 

Hi Brian, list,

 As others have said, running a ML can be a PITA.
While it changes the way everyone interacts, I have sympathy for the desire to switch
to something that doesn't require so much work just to keep it going without random spammers hijacking it.
As Brian said, "It's going to happen", and I don't blame him.

As this ML runs out of time, I just want to say that the devs have been very helpful over the years, and have done fS and the users proud.
People on list have been patient with me trying to set up fS in decidedly non-standard environments. That wouldn't have been possible without such help, so for that, many thanks.

As for fS itself, it's hard to remember quite how much better a platform it was than the other SIP stacks that surfaced -- it worked, robustly, from single user agents to full blown call centres & VoIP telco platforms. We take all that for granted now, so it's hard to remember quite how much of a revolution that was. Building that vision and maintaining it was a lot of work (not least, building something on top of sofia must have been a heck of a job), and I'm sure I'm not alone in thanking everyone for making it happen.

Personally, apart from helping us explore how to make SRV/NAPTRs work "in the real world", the relative ease to set up Video+Audio multi-person calls just using SIP & RTP was really useful to me, if only to show customers the "art of the possible". This was "old skool", before Web RTC & Verto, and yet it all worked.
[... and from experience there were far fewer calls over Skype needed to debug the SIP setup than with the other platforms — ahem - CISCO RTC/*/... - ahem]

So ... for all that -- and for free -- Many Thanks.
I wish everyone success with the switch, and hope it all works out as well as it has so far.

all the best
  Lawrence


> On 3 Feb 2023, at 13:32, Brian West <brian at freeswitch.com> wrote:
> 
> It does let you set it up to be just like a mailing list, I understand everyone's aversion to change, It's going to happen, and it will allow everyone to receive help faster.
> 
> /b
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:53 AM Shaun Stokes <shaun at syskonfig.pl> wrote:
> Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing list? If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then it would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these days provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum.
> 
> From: FreeSWITCH-users <freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org> on behalf of Antony Stone <Antony.Stone at freeswitch.open.source.it>
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40
> To: FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org>
> Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list   On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote:
> 
> > +1 in agreement with Alex.
> 
> I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one.
> 
> I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective as 
> lists.
> 
> I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and it's 
> very convenient to deal with them all in one email client.  If each one were 
> replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, and 
> have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were new 
> messages.  This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly 
> unproductive.
> 
> 
> Antony.
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote:
> >
> > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that
> > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate
> > > to the frustration.
> > > 
> > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to
> > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by
> > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who
> > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people
> > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work.
> > > 
> > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the
> > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users
> > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would
> > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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