From brandon at cryy.com Thu Feb 2 13:51:19 2023 From: brandon at cryy.com (Brandon Armstead) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 05:51:19 -0800 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> References:

<8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> Message-ID: +1 in agreement with Alex. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate to > the frustration. > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by others. > Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who particularly like > that medium will participate in forums; average people won't bother to keep > up with the forum because it requires work. > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would otherwise > smile out in some way from their inbox. > > -- Alex > > -- > Alex Balashov > Principal Consultant > Evariste Systems LLC > Web: https://evaristesys.com > Tel: +1-706-510-6800 > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN > services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time > https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jerry.Kendall at BishopHosting.com Thu Feb 2 14:20:50 2023 From: Jerry.Kendall at BishopHosting.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:20:50 -0500 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: +1 as well... The list is just better.Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Brandon Armstead Date: 2023-02-02 9:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list +1 in agreement with Alex. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote:I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate to the frustration. However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov Principal Consultant Evariste Systems LLC Web: https://evaristesys.com Tel: +1-706-510-6800 _________________________________________________________________________ The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community Professional FreeSWITCH Services sales at freeswitch.com https://freeswitch.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites https://freeswitch.com/oss https://freeswitch.org/confluence https://cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users https://freeswitch.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpa-freeswitch at aegee.org Thu Feb 2 14:39:39 2023 From: dpa-freeswitch at aegee.org (=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=94=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=8F=D0=BD_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=9F=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=83=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 16:39:39 +0200 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

<8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> Message-ID: <7fbdefbf359b191a6ef25480fb97927e81a2ccfb.camel@aegee.org> Hello, triggering an email over the mailing list for each new forum post and allowing new mails to the mailing list only over from the forum is a good compromise. Ideally emails submitted to the mailing list shall be automatically mirrored to the forum and vice-versa, but this ideal scenario is maybe not realistic. I run myself mailing lists and I have to say this is really too much hard work to get it right (adjusting anti-spam software; rejecting at SMTP-level emails, which would be otherwise bounced my the mailing list manager (sender used wrong address); DKIM/DMARC, etc). So a hosted mailing list for freeswitch, instead of a self-hosted mailing list server could also be considered. However permitting emails from the forum to the currently installed mailing list shall not be that hard to get right and I think is a good compromise. Greetings Dilyan -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Armstead Reply-To: FreeSWITCH Users Help To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list Date: 02/02/2023 03:51:19 PM +1 in agreement with Alex. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate to > the frustration. > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by others. > Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people won't bother to keep > up with the forum because it requires work. > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. > > -- Alex > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com From Antony.Stone at freeswitch.open.source.it Thu Feb 2 15:40:52 2023 From: Antony.Stone at freeswitch.open.source.it (Antony Stone) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 16:40:52 +0100 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> Message-ID: <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: > +1 in agreement with Alex. I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective as lists. I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and it's very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one were replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, and have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were new messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly unproductive. Antony. > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate > > to the frustration. > > > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. > > > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. -- #define SIX 1+5 #define NINE 8+1 int main() { printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); } - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. From shaun at syskonfig.pl Fri Feb 3 07:52:43 2023 From: shaun at syskonfig.pl (Shaun Stokes) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 07:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> Message-ID: Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing list? If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then it would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these days provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum. ________________________________ From: FreeSWITCH-users on behalf of Antony Stone Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40 To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: > +1 in agreement with Alex. I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective as lists. I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and it's very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one were replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, and have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were new messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly unproductive. Antony. > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate > > to the frustration. > > > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. > > > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. -- #define SIX 1+5 #define NINE 8+1 int main() { printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); } - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. _________________________________________________________________________ The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. 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URL: From brian at freeswitch.com Fri Feb 3 13:32:49 2023 From: brian at freeswitch.com (Brian West) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 07:32:49 -0600 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> Message-ID: It does let you set it up to be just like a mailing list, I understand everyone's aversion to change, It's going to happen, and it will allow everyone to receive help faster. /b On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:53 AM Shaun Stokes wrote: > Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing list? > If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then it > would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these days > provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* FreeSWITCH-users > on behalf of Antony Stone > *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40 > *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help > *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list > > On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: > > > +1 in agreement with Alex. > > I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. > > I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective > as > lists. > > I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and > it's > very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one > were > replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, > and > have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were > new > messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly > unproductive. > > > Antony. > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > > > > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues > that > > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate > > > to the frustration. > > > > > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by > > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who > > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average > people > > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. > > > > > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that > users > > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would > > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. > > -- > #define SIX 1+5 > #define NINE 8+1 > > int main() { > printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); > } > - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention > > Please reply to the > list; > please *don't* CC > me. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN > services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time > https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN > services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time > https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com > -- Brian West | Co-founder and Developer Need Commercial support? email sales at freeswitch.com FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045 Email: brian at freeswitch.com Mobile: 918-424-9378 Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com [image: https://www.facebook.com/signalwireinc?src=email] [image: https://twitter.com/freeswitch] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregor at infomedia.si Fri Feb 3 14:46:06 2023 From: gregor at infomedia.si (Gregor Nanger) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:46:06 +0100 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> Message-ID: I agree with Brian. Changes are hard, but in the end, it will be better and more organized. 👍 On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 at 14:34, Brian West wrote: > It does let you set it up to be just like a mailing list, I understand > everyone's aversion to change, It's going to happen, and it will allow > everyone to receive help faster. > > /b > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:53 AM Shaun Stokes wrote: > >> Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing >> list? If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then >> it would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these >> days provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* FreeSWITCH-users >> on behalf of Antony Stone >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40 >> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help >> *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list >> >> On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: >> >> > +1 in agreement with Alex. >> >> I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. >> >> I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective >> as >> lists. >> >> I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and >> it's >> very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one >> were >> replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a >> browser, and >> have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were >> new >> messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly >> unproductive. >> >> >> Antony. >> >> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: >> > >> > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues >> that >> > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can >> relate >> > > to the frustration. >> > > >> > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to >> > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by >> > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who >> > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average >> people >> > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. >> > > >> > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, >> the >> > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that >> users >> > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would >> > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. >> >> -- >> #define SIX 1+5 >> #define NINE 8+1 >> >> int main() { >> printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); >> } >> - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention >> >> Please reply to the >> list; >> please *don't* >> CC me. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com >> Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN >> services. >> Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. >> >> Join our online community to chat in real time >> https://signalwire.community >> >> Professional FreeSWITCH Services >> sales at freeswitch.com >> https://freeswitch.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> https://freeswitch.com/oss >> https://freeswitch.org/confluence >> https://cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> https://freeswitch.com >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com >> Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN >> services. >> Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. >> >> Join our online community to chat in real time >> https://signalwire.community >> >> Professional FreeSWITCH Services >> sales at freeswitch.com >> https://freeswitch.com >> >> Official FreeSWITCH Sites >> https://freeswitch.com/oss >> https://freeswitch.org/confluence >> https://cluecon.com >> >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> https://freeswitch.com >> > > > -- > > Brian West | Co-founder and Developer > > Need Commercial support? email sales at freeswitch.com > > FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045 > > > Email: brian at freeswitch.com > > Mobile: 918-424-9378 > > Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com > > [image: https://www.facebook.com/signalwireinc?src=email] > [image: > https://twitter.com/freeswitch] > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN > services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time > https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com -- Gregor Nanger *CTO* t./f.: 00386 (0) 7 6000 308/309 • m:. 00386 (0)41 756485 • Infomedia d.o.o. • Jerebova 3, Novo mesto, Slovenia • www.infomedia.si -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lconroy at insensate.co.uk Fri Feb 3 15:13:59 2023 From: lconroy at insensate.co.uk (Lawrence Conroy) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:13:59 +0000 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> Message-ID: Hi Brian, list, As others have said, running a ML can be a PITA. While it changes the way everyone interacts, I have sympathy for the desire to switch to something that doesn't require so much work just to keep it going without random spammers hijacking it. As Brian said, "It's going to happen", and I don't blame him. As this ML runs out of time, I just want to say that the devs have been very helpful over the years, and have done fS and the users proud. People on list have been patient with me trying to set up fS in decidedly non-standard environments. That wouldn't have been possible without such help, so for that, many thanks. As for fS itself, it's hard to remember quite how much better a platform it was than the other SIP stacks that surfaced -- it worked, robustly, from single user agents to full blown call centres & VoIP telco platforms. We take all that for granted now, so it's hard to remember quite how much of a revolution that was. Building that vision and maintaining it was a lot of work (not least, building something on top of sofia must have been a heck of a job), and I'm sure I'm not alone in thanking everyone for making it happen. Personally, apart from helping us explore how to make SRV/NAPTRs work "in the real world", the relative ease to set up Video+Audio multi-person calls just using SIP & RTP was really useful to me, if only to show customers the "art of the possible". This was "old skool", before Web RTC & Verto, and yet it all worked. [... and from experience there were far fewer calls over Skype needed to debug the SIP setup than with the other platforms — ahem - CISCO RTC/*/... - ahem] So ... for all that -- and for free -- Many Thanks. I wish everyone success with the switch, and hope it all works out as well as it has so far. all the best Lawrence > On 3 Feb 2023, at 13:32, Brian West wrote: > > It does let you set it up to be just like a mailing list, I understand everyone's aversion to change, It's going to happen, and it will allow everyone to receive help faster. > > /b > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:53 AM Shaun Stokes wrote: > Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing list? If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then it would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these days provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum. > > From: FreeSWITCH-users on behalf of Antony Stone > Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40 > To: FreeSWITCH Users Help > Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: > > > +1 in agreement with Alex. > > I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. > > I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective as > lists. > > I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and it's > very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one were > replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, and > have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were new > messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly > unproductive. > > > Antony. > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > > > > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that > > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate > > > to the frustration. > > > > > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by > > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who > > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people > > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. > > > > > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would > > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. > > -- > #define SIX 1+5 > #define NINE 8+1 > > int main() { > printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); > } > - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention > > Please reply to the list; > please *don't* CC me. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com > > > -- > > Brian West | Co-founder and Developer > Need Commercial support? email sales at freeswitch.com FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045 > Email: brian at freeswitch.com > Mobile: 918-424-9378 > Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com > Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. > Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. > > Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community > > Professional FreeSWITCH Services > sales at freeswitch.com > https://freeswitch.com > > Official FreeSWITCH Sites > https://freeswitch.com/oss > https://freeswitch.org/confluence > https://cluecon.com > > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > https://freeswitch.com From shaun at syskonfig.pl Tue Feb 7 12:27:39 2023 From: shaun at syskonfig.pl (Shaun Stokes) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 12:27:39 +0000 Subject: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <8F79616E-89AD-4BDF-A6B6-51D5AE0C43FE@evaristesys.com> <202302021640.52563.Antony.Stone@freeswitch.open.source.it> Message-ID: Exactly my thoughts, it can be a pain sometimes sifting through conversations in the mailing list, the forum will be an upgrade. ________________________________ From: FreeSWITCH-users on behalf of Gregor Nanger Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 15:46 To: FreeSWITCH Users Help Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list I agree with Brian. Changes are hard, but in the end, it will be better and more organized. 👍 On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 at 14:34, Brian West > wrote: It does let you set it up to be just like a mailing list, I understand everyone's aversion to change, It's going to happen, and it will allow everyone to receive help faster. /b On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:53 AM Shaun Stokes > wrote: Perhaps the new forum could function in a similar way to the mailing list? If you could receive responses via email and respond via email, then it would be the best of both worlds. I know most ticketing systems these days provide this functionality, the same is possible on a forum. ________________________________ From: FreeSWITCH-users > on behalf of Antony Stone > Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 16:40 To: FreeSWITCH Users Help > Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Retiring the FreeSWITCH Mailing list On Thursday 02 February 2023 at 14:51:19, Brandon Armstead wrote: > +1 in agreement with Alex. I don't know how many +1s you've had so far, but this is another one. I think Alex has expressed extremely well why forums are not as effective as lists. I would also simply add that I am on quite a number of mailing lists, and it's very convenient to deal with them all in one email client. If each one were replaced by a forum, I would need multiple logged-in windows in a browser, and have to actively switch back and forth between them to see if there were new messages. This is the biggest thing for me which makes forums highly unproductive. Antony. > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:28 AM Alex Balashov wrote: > > > I do understand that maintaining a mailing list, and all the issues that > > come with it, is a thankless chore. I run several myself and can relate > > to the frustration. > > > > However, from my perspective, it is by far the most effective way to > > engage the broadest swath of users, for reasons already outlined by > > others. Only a small, hardcore group of forum enthusiasts who > > particularly like that medium will participate in forums; average people > > won't bother to keep up with the forum because it requires work. > > > > The net effect is that people only come to ask a specific question, the > > number of experts usefully answering questions is reduced, and that users > > don't stay broadly abreast of trends and project info which would > > otherwise smile out in some way from their inbox. -- #define SIX 1+5 #define NINE 8+1 int main() { printf("%d\n", SIX * NINE); } - thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. _________________________________________________________________________ The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community Professional FreeSWITCH Services sales at freeswitch.com https://freeswitch.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites https://freeswitch.com/oss https://freeswitch.org/confluence https://cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users https://freeswitch.com _________________________________________________________________________ The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community Professional FreeSWITCH Services sales at freeswitch.com https://freeswitch.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites https://freeswitch.com/oss https://freeswitch.org/confluence https://cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users https://freeswitch.com -- Brian West | Co-founder and Developer Need Commercial support? email sales at freeswitch.com FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045 Email: brian at freeswitch.com Mobile: 918-424-9378 Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com [https://www.facebook.com/signalwireinc?src=email] [https://twitter.com/freeswitch] _________________________________________________________________________ The FreeSWITCH project is sponsored by SignalWire https://signalwire.com Enhance your FreeSWITCH install with disruptive priced SMS and PSTN services. Build your next product on our scalable cloud platform. Join our online community to chat in real time https://signalwire.community Professional FreeSWITCH Services sales at freeswitch.com https://freeswitch.com Official FreeSWITCH Sites https://freeswitch.com/oss https://freeswitch.org/confluence https://cluecon.com FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users at lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users https://freeswitch.com -- Gregor Nanger CTO t./f.: 00386 (0) 7 6000 308/309 • m:. 00386 (0)41 756485 • Infomedia d.o.o. • Jerebova 3, Novo mesto, Slovenia • www.infomedia.si -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: