[Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of life - recommendation please

Brian West brian at freeswitch.org
Sat Nov 21 01:13:12 MSK 2015 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <
luis.daniel.lucio at gmail.com> wrote:

> I disagree when you imply that you must match versions you use. If that
> would be true, many other big projects would not work. When back porting,
> You just must match what you need.
>
That said, our versions are known working, took us considerable time to
hash that out, Your mileage will vary if you use other versions without
extensive testing.

/b




> Le 19 nov. 2015 5:32 PM, "Anthony Minessale" <anthony.minessale at gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <
>> luis.daniel.lucio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is a big misunderstanding
>>>
>>> Brian is right by saying the hard work is done.
>>>
>>> But the position the FreeSWITCH project has taken about pushing Debian
>>> is a killer for the project.
>>>
>>> It is very common that the favor becomes obligation. Specially for those
>>> who doesn't understand the open source thinking. But no one can push any
>>> one to do things.
>>>
>>
>> I do not appreciate the FUD.   You clearly take for granted the burden of
>> managing a project.  Try to be more considerate.
>>
>> If you know how to compile code, you can check out git master and go find
>> the tarballs of every dependancy and build, install or make packages of it
>> and it will work.
>> Our packages are a luxury designed to be used by community members who do
>> not wish to take on the task themselves.  If you do not like them, don't
>> use them.
>>
>> If you want to make CentOS work the same as Debian, you simply have to
>> manually update all the depends to match the exact versions we use and deal
>> with the cascading dependency yourself.
>> Once you are done, it will not be CentOS anymore because of all the
>> modifications.  The are behind on libraries because the longer time moves
>> on the harder it is to update all the packages on the distro.
>> We only have resources for one permutation of this nightmare and with
>> Debian we only have to deal with 2% of the problems CentOS currently has.
>> If CentOS finally decides to catch up, you will have an easier time
>> getting things to work but that time is not now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Le 19 nov. 2015 12:21 PM, "Brian West" <brian at freeswitch.org> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> You're highlighting why we have an open source community, its where the
>>>> community steps up, helps figure this out and contributes the solution to
>>>> the problem for all to benefit from, Its the least anyone could do thats
>>>> running FreeSWITCH as the hardest part is already done for you for free! :)
>>>>
>>>> /b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Olgierd Ziolko <lists.fs-users at uce.pw>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi*
>>>>>
>>>>> But when it's cross-checked against inventory or network drawings he's
>>>>> going to be busted (and put in much worse position).
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I find CentOS 7 waaaaaay too edgy for corporate
>>>>> requirements - we (as in my company) are running servers on specific OS
>>>>> version (inc. 6.5, but not 7), custom subset of software, sometimes with
>>>>> custom patches, customised (a whole lot) kernel, so I just can't afford
>>>>> throwing it all out the window just for the sake of using most recent
>>>>> packaged version (and when we're at packages: Debian's packaging is
>>>>> horrendous, how can't such simply systemd service file problem unresolved
>>>>> for months?).
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm very on the Andrew's (the first) side.
>>>>>
>>>>> * hello everyone, I'm kind of fresh FreeSWITCH user and I'll try my
>>>>> best to contribute to the community (because I've already got so much).
>>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 November 2015 at 10:29, Andrew Cassidy <
>>>>> andrew at cassidywebservices.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can pass PCI-DSS with proper firewall rules. For example, if you
>>>>>> FS server only needs to accept calls from certain IP addresses, firewalling
>>>>>> it out will pass the automated tests easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know it's not ideal, but I've managed to make unpatched Windows
>>>>>> 2003 servers pass the automated tests just by hiding them behind a proxy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not condoning this practise, just timelines on that particular
>>>>>> project required that they pass until we could upgrade them to Windows
>>>>>> 2012. It bought us the time we needed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 November 2015 at 08:21, Andrew Keil <andrew.keil at visytel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:
>>>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>>>>>>> Jerris
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 November 2015 11:12 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of
>>>>>>> life - recommendation please
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Andrew Keil <andrew.keil at visytel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To FreeSWITCH users,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order for my client to plan for FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of
>>>>>>> life, I have a few questions that I hope the FreeSWITCH team can help
>>>>>>> answer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1)      Since the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of
>>>>>>> life in early 2016, then obviously I need my client to migrate to the
>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch ASAP.  Is there a definite date when the
>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of life?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't have a specific date set, we will provide as many critical
>>>>>>> and security fixes as we can for it for a while.  That being said, we are
>>>>>>> already at the point where significant portions of fixes are not possible
>>>>>>> to back-port due to significant changes in the code between 1.4 and 1.6.
>>>>>>> This continues to get worse over time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)      Regarding the FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a.       Can this run on CentOS 6.x (ie. the latest release of
>>>>>>> CentOS 6)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have made minimal effort to try to package dependencies for it,
>>>>>>> and it was abandoned as it was determined to be too much work.  Its
>>>>>>> probably possible, but expect to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Not have any support for video features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Spend significant time working on packaging your own dependencies
>>>>>>> and testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                i.
>>>>>>>       I understand that CentOS 7 is recommended, however upgrading
>>>>>>> the OS is a much bigger task than simply upgrading FreeSWITCH.  Especially
>>>>>>> since my client is also PCI compliant to enable credit card processing,
>>>>>>> which requires rigorous Operating System lockdown.  Currently my client
>>>>>>> will not be using the video features inside FreeSWITCH (ie. initially only
>>>>>>> using the feature set inside the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                              ii.
>>>>>>>       Is there anything I should be aware of when trying to get
>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch working on CentOS 6?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have done zero testing on it.  You will have to do all the
>>>>>>> dependency packaging back-porting for the deps you need and do testing and
>>>>>>> let us know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate any feedback that you are able to provide to make this
>>>>>>> process as painless as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>
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