[Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of life - recommendation please
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
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Wed Dec 2 01:49:15 MSK 2015
Steven, I didn't say anything about dep problems. I was trying to tell
complaining people that no one can be forced to do things (because
demanding support on centos). Anyway, I have all solved with video.
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
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2015-12-01 12:45 GMT-05:00 Steven Ayre <steveayre at gmail.com>:
> Matching what we use is only relevant for 2 cases.
>> 1) If you want the video functionality to work. most of the media and
>> codec libs are not packages everywhere and they need to be very recent
>> versions. Most of what we can do right now in video was not possible 8
>> months ago.
>
>
> Luis, if you're finding dependancy problems there's a good chance you
> don't need all of the modules and can avoid quite a few of the dependancy
> problems by compiling from source and omitting those modules from the build.
>
> See the modules.conf file (see example build/modules.conf.in - edit and
> drop it in the same directory as bootstrap.sh named as modules.conf before
> running bootstrap and configure).
>
> If you can't omit it then you're using the library and if you can't build
> it against your system version then there's a fair chance your system
> version is too old to support the feature you're wanting to use, since
> generally speaking interfaces don't change too much unless features are
> changing.
>
> On 20 November 2015 at 22:42, Anthony Minessale <
> anthony.minessale at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <
>> luis.daniel.lucio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You totally got me wrong.
>>>
>>> I was trying to conciliate between the two parts. As someone reclaim the
>>> current state of systems. I won't try it again.
>>>
>>> And answering your statement. What is your parameter to establish a
>>> distribution is still the same? I was able to build fs16 under centos6. It
>>> is still centos6, it was no easy. My productions servers have been running
>>> without issues.
>>>
>>
>> You can backpedal if you want but you made a reference to the project
>> being killed for trying to find a stable ongoing platform in Debian among
>> 1000 chaotic distro choices despite the fact that we also still work on a
>> best effort to support every platform. Naturally when you make statements
>> to cause a whole group of people to think they are wrong for not agreeing
>> with you, they will get annoyed. You still don't see our point or you
>> would not continue to argue. Its like we are having a party and you come
>> over to our house and we have some potato chips out with french onion dip
>> and you tell us our party is a dud because we don't have dill dip. You
>> wan't some dill dip, bring some dill dip.....We'll bring the chips.
>>
>>
>>
>>> As far as I remember, the only core lib I updated was alsa, because a
>>> module looking for a especific function. All others were new rpm's or
>>> updates and They were not part of core (like glib, dbus, udev just to name
>>> examples). Note I am talking about using RPM all time, I don't use
>>> tarballs as I agree with you that doing that breaks any distribution soul.
>>>
>>> I disagree when you imply that you must match versions you use. If that
>>> would be true, many other big projects would not work. When back porting,
>>> You just must match what you need.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Matching what we use is only relevant for 2 cases.
>>
>> 1) If you want the video functionality to work. most of the media and
>> codec libs are not packages everywhere and they need to be very recent
>> versions. Most of what we can do right now in video was not possible 8
>> months ago.
>>
>> 2) You need help. If a bug ends up related to system lib related issues
>> and it is using a version we are unfamiliar with, then we have to stop
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I agree this is a problem of any 5+ years support distribution; we just
>>> have to live with it.
>>>
>>> Said this. I think the main topic of discussion was lost.
>>>
>>
>> The main topic is, if you want CentOS to work, help the people who are
>> working on it to get it working. We supply the build servers and keep an
>> eye on it but we need people who actually care about it to work on doing it
>> right and doing it in a way that will allow things to work on ALL
>> PLATFORMS. Many build patches for one OS are not sufficient because they
>> break the builds on other platforms.
>> Its just like code, you need to write code that works in all paths, not
>> just the one you happen to care about. Keep that in mind and help out and
>> you will have working RPMs. It has nothing to do with what we prefer or
>> not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Le 19 nov. 2015 5:32 PM, "Anthony Minessale" <
>>> anthony.minessale at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <
>>>> luis.daniel.lucio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a big misunderstanding
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian is right by saying the hard work is done.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the position the FreeSWITCH project has taken about pushing Debian
>>>>> is a killer for the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very common that the favor becomes obligation. Specially for
>>>>> those who doesn't understand the open source thinking. But no one can push
>>>>> any one to do things.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not appreciate the FUD. You clearly take for granted the burden
>>>> of managing a project. Try to be more considerate.
>>>>
>>>> If you know how to compile code, you can check out git master and go
>>>> find the tarballs of every dependancy and build, install or make packages
>>>> of it and it will work.
>>>> Our packages are a luxury designed to be used by community members who
>>>> do not wish to take on the task themselves. If you do not like them, don't
>>>> use them.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to make CentOS work the same as Debian, you simply have to
>>>> manually update all the depends to match the exact versions we use and deal
>>>> with the cascading dependency yourself.
>>>> Once you are done, it will not be CentOS anymore because of all the
>>>> modifications. The are behind on libraries because the longer time moves
>>>> on the harder it is to update all the packages on the distro.
>>>> We only have resources for one permutation of this nightmare and with
>>>> Debian we only have to deal with 2% of the problems CentOS currently has.
>>>> If CentOS finally decides to catch up, you will have an easier time
>>>> getting things to work but that time is not now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Le 19 nov. 2015 12:21 PM, "Brian West" <brian at freeswitch.org> a
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're highlighting why we have an open source community, its where
>>>>>> the community steps up, helps figure this out and contributes the solution
>>>>>> to the problem for all to benefit from, Its the least anyone could do thats
>>>>>> running FreeSWITCH as the hardest part is already done for you for free! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Olgierd Ziolko <
>>>>>> lists.fs-users at uce.pw> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when it's cross-checked against inventory or network drawings
>>>>>>> he's going to be busted (and put in much worse position).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I find CentOS 7 waaaaaay too edgy for corporate
>>>>>>> requirements - we (as in my company) are running servers on specific OS
>>>>>>> version (inc. 6.5, but not 7), custom subset of software, sometimes with
>>>>>>> custom patches, customised (a whole lot) kernel, so I just can't afford
>>>>>>> throwing it all out the window just for the sake of using most recent
>>>>>>> packaged version (and when we're at packages: Debian's packaging is
>>>>>>> horrendous, how can't such simply systemd service file problem unresolved
>>>>>>> for months?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'm very on the Andrew's (the first) side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * hello everyone, I'm kind of fresh FreeSWITCH user and I'll try my
>>>>>>> best to contribute to the community (because I've already got so much).
>>>>>>> Thank you all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 November 2015 at 10:29, Andrew Cassidy <
>>>>>>> andrew at cassidywebservices.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can pass PCI-DSS with proper firewall rules. For example, if
>>>>>>>> you FS server only needs to accept calls from certain IP addresses,
>>>>>>>> firewalling it out will pass the automated tests easily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know it's not ideal, but I've managed to make unpatched Windows
>>>>>>>> 2003 servers pass the automated tests just by hiding them behind a proxy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning this practise, just timelines on that particular
>>>>>>>> project required that they pass until we could upgrade them to Windows
>>>>>>>> 2012. It bought us the time we needed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 November 2015 at 08:21, Andrew Keil <andrew.keil at visytel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>>>>>>>>> Jerris
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 November 2015 11:12 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* FreeSWITCH Users Help <freeswitch-users at lists.freeswitch.org
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of
>>>>>>>>> life - recommendation please
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Andrew Keil <andrew.keil at visytel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To FreeSWITCH users,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order for my client to plan for FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x end of
>>>>>>>>> life, I have a few questions that I hope the FreeSWITCH team can help
>>>>>>>>> answer:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Since the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of
>>>>>>>>> life in early 2016, then obviously I need my client to migrate to the
>>>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch ASAP. Is there a definite date when the
>>>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x branch is going end of life?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't have a specific date set, we will provide as many
>>>>>>>>> critical and security fixes as we can for it for a while. That being said,
>>>>>>>>> we are already at the point where significant portions of fixes are not
>>>>>>>>> possible to back-port due to significant changes in the code between 1.4
>>>>>>>>> and 1.6. This continues to get worse over time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Regarding the FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a. Can this run on CentOS 6.x (ie. the latest release of
>>>>>>>>> CentOS 6)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have made minimal effort to try to package dependencies for it,
>>>>>>>>> and it was abandoned as it was determined to be too much work. Its
>>>>>>>>> probably possible, but expect to:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Not have any support for video features.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Spend significant time working on packaging your own
>>>>>>>>> dependencies and testing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i.
>>>>>>>>> I understand that CentOS 7 is recommended, however
>>>>>>>>> upgrading the OS is a much bigger task than simply upgrading FreeSWITCH.
>>>>>>>>> Especially since my client is also PCI compliant to enable credit card
>>>>>>>>> processing, which requires rigorous Operating System lockdown. Currently
>>>>>>>>> my client will not be using the video features inside FreeSWITCH (ie.
>>>>>>>>> initially only using the feature set inside the FreeSWITCH version 1.4.x
>>>>>>>>> branch).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ii.
>>>>>>>>> Is there anything I should be aware of when trying to get
>>>>>>>>> FreeSWITCH version 1.6.x branch working on CentOS 6?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have done zero testing on it. You will have to do all the
>>>>>>>>> dependency packaging back-porting for the deps you need and do testing and
>>>>>>>>> let us know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I appreciate any feedback that you are able to provide to make
>>>>>>>>> this process as painless as possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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