[Freeswitch-users] KVM vs. XEN virtualization

Wed Apr 8 20:43:04 MSD 2015

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On Apr 8, 2015 2:26 PM, "Sergey Safarov" <s.safarov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1) 125uS is the interval between FrameSync of ONE(!) PCM sample at 8000hz,
> But here we are talking about packet telephony where commonly used frame
length is 20000 uS.
> So, intervals for testing should be 5000-10000-20000uS, not 125uS.
>
> Not all FS installation has SIP endpoint. Some can have TDM cards, USB
dongle and other analog equipment. Can you say what is length of this frame
type?

Usb dongles goes to 20ms, and skype too (I wrote it :) ).

I would be pretty sure TDM too.

> I am wondering about this question. I know that the frame 125ms is enough.
>
> 2) Why you decided that all of 42 threads should wake up simultaneously?
> That totally impossible in real world applications.
> Here should be tens of uS. Dependent of network card and, possibly, other
I/O hardware.
>
> Can you say how many FS create threads for 40-50 active calls?

Not all of those threads will wake up at same time... You probably have
very little threads active with 50 calls, lets say less than 5 if you dont
transcode

>
> 3) -q switch is missing
> I am thinking it is optional. Result is same
>
> 4) Precise time measurement and realtime processing in VM environment  is
a challenge.
> To obtain acceptable results fine tuning of host's and guest's  required.
> WIthout that this numbers ... does not mean anything.
>
> Can you learn me how to correctly measure timer source quality in VM?

I would say its by definition variable and impredictable, and depends on
what else other VMs are doing millisecond by millisecond, and their
interaction.
I would test the application, and if percwived quality is not satisfying,
just throw more resources at it.

>
> Sergey
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Dmitry Lysenko <dvl36.ripe.nick at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> 2015-04-07 10:48 GMT+03:00 Sergey Safarov <s.safarov at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> 2) i 125 - time us between software timer interrupts for first thread.
It time is equal time between samples rate in PSTN networks
>>> In order to maintain our sampling rate we have 125 microseconds (uS)
between consecutive samples (1/8,000Hz), which is more
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>>
>> 125uS is the interval between FrameSync of ONE(!) PCM sample at 8000hz,
>> But here we are talking about packet telephony where commonly used frame
length is 20000 uS.
>> So, intervals for testing should be 5000-10000-20000uS, not 125uS.
>>
>>>
>>> 3) d 0 - this switch will make time between software timer interrupts
for second and following threads is equal timer value for first thread
>>
>>
>> Why you decided that all of 42 threads should wake up simultaneously?
>> That totally impossible in real world applications.
>> Here should be tens of uS. Dependent of network card and, possibly,
other I/O hardware.
>>
>>>
>>> 4) l 240000 - how many timer test must be made. It is adjusted for 30 s
overall test
>>> 5) n - use clock_nanosleep. it is allow take more accurate timer test
values on my VM
>>> 6) p 80 - it is copied from example on Cyclictest page
>>
>>
>> -q switch is missing.
>>
>>>
>>> And how in your opinion this numbers are related to Freeswitch in VM
environment?
>>> Relation between Cyclictest switches and FS described above.
>>> Relation betwen Cyclictest results and FS simple
>>
>>
>> Precise time measurement and realtime processing in VM environment  is a
challenge.
>> To obtain acceptable results fine tuning of host's and guest's  required.
>> WIthout that this numbers ... does not mean anything.
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Dmitry Lysenko <
dvl36.ripe.nick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sergey,
>>>> Why you suggest to use exactly this numbers in cyclictest's switches?
>>>> And how in your opinion this numbers are related to Freeswitch in VM
environment?
>>>>
>>>> P.S.
https://mindlinux.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/using-and-understanding-the-real-time-cyclictest-benchmark-frank-rowand-sony/
>>>>
>>>> 2015-04-06 15:27 GMT+03:00 Sergey Safarov <s.safarov at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Errol can you test VM timer with utility
https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Cyclictest
>>>>>
>>>>> My VM currently have folowing results
>>>>>
>>>>> [root at fs1 ~]#  date && /tmp/rt-tests/cyclictest -t42 -p 80 -d 0 -n -i
125 -l 240000 && date
>>>>> Sun Apr  5 07:01:31 GMT 2015
>>>>> # /dev/cpu_dma_latency set to 0us
>>>>> policy: fifo: loadavg: 2.38 0.93 0.50 1/194 1574
>>>>>
>>>>> T: 0 ( 1531) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      2 Act:   12 Avg:   16
Max:    1302
>>>>> T: 1 ( 1532) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      2 Act:   15 Avg:   14
Max:    2895
>>>>> T: 2 ( 1533) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      3 Act:   10 Avg:   12
Max:    2888
>>>>> T: 3 ( 1534) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      1 Act:   16 Avg:   13
Max:    1333
>>>>> T: 4 ( 1535) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      2 Act:   20 Avg:   14
Max:    2962
>>>>> T: 5 ( 1536) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      1 Act:   12 Avg:   14
Max:    2946
>>>>> T: 6 ( 1537) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      2 Act:   10 Avg:   13
Max:    1363
>>>>> T: 7 ( 1538) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      2 Act:   12 Avg:   13
Max:    1344
>>>>> T: 8 ( 1539) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      3 Act:   12 Avg:   16
Max:    1408
>>>>> T: 9 ( 1540) P:80 I:125 C: 240000 Min:      1 Act:    8 Avg:   13
Max:    2882
>>>>> T:10 ( 1541) P:80 I:125 C: 239974 Min:      2 Act:   12 Avg:   13
Max:    2908
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Errol Samuels <ewsamuels at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good job and Thanks for sharing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KVM at digitalocean.com, Debian 7 64bit, FreeSWITCH 1.4.15: bad
precision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As someone who has been using KVM for a few years and has just
migrated about 20 VMs across to Digital Ocean about 6 weeks ago I admit I
am a little concerned about this finding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just out of curiosity can you tell me the specs of the VM that you
tested with and which DO Datacenter?  I am using NYC3 so perhaps and I will
do some tests as soon as I have some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards to Xen was this at Linode or inhouse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Errol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin <
ssinyagin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here we go:
>>>>>>>
https://txlab.wordpress.com/2015/04/05/testing-rtp-clock-precision-on-a-virtual-machine/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Stanislav Sinyagin <
ssinyagin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Regis M <
regis.freeswitch.org at tornad.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> How do you check wavs together in audacity ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > you just open two WAV files, align their starting position, and
>>>>>>> > visually check the waves. If there's a problem, you would see that
>>>>>>> > after few seconds, the waves are not aligned any more.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Can you send me 2 samples wav (send... and recorded) so I could
see the 20ms
>>>>>>> >> diff that you exposed...
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Is there a way to automate the result checking, so it could help
to monitor
>>>>>>> >> itsp quality
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Here
>>>>>>> > https://github.com/openpreserve/scape-xcorrsound/issues/17
>>>>>>> > this is a link to a tool which compares two sound files at the
wave
>>>>>>> > level. You can also see the sound samples in the ticket.
>>>>>>> > The problem is, that currently this tool does not detect such
slipping frames.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I will also write a detailed article with examples, during the
weekend.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> 2015-04-04 12:53 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Sinyagin <
ssinyagin at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Important is to send the media through two independent carriers
- then you
>>>>>>> >>> can be sure that your clock is compared against a high quality
one.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Apr 4, 2015 12:46 PM, "Regis M" <
regis.freeswitch.org at tornad.net>
>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> It's a very interresting test and conclusion.
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I will try to build a similar environnement on my freeswitch
to check
>>>>>>> >>>> some system :)
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> thanks
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> 2015-04-04 2:16 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Sinyagin <
ssinyagin at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> hi,
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Here are some test results which might be interesting:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> I've set up a test FreeSWITCH server at digitalocean (they
use KVM),
>>>>>>> >>>>> and originated test calls to some ITSP accounts. Each call
played a
>>>>>>> >>>>> test sound file (voice samples from ITU:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
http://www.itu.int/net/itu-t/sigdb/genaudio/AudioForm-g.aspx?val=1000050
>>>>>>> >>>>> ), and on the receiving end another FreeSWITCH server was
recording
>>>>>>> >>>>> the received session. The receiving server was on a XEN VM.
Both
>>>>>>> >>>>> servers talked G711 to their corresponding ITSP accounts.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Then I compared the source audio and received audio in
Audacity editor.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> The tests showed that the received voice wave shifts 20ms
from the
>>>>>>> >>>>> original sound every few seconds, randomly back and forward.
This
>>>>>>> >>>>> skewing was always present, regardless of ITSP and time of
day.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Then I moved the sending server to a XEN VM, and the waves
appeared
>>>>>>> >>>>> almost perfectly synchronized (there was a 5ms skew in one
test, and I
>>>>>>> >>>>> guess it's related to transcoding buffer, as the sound was
obviously
>>>>>>> >>>>> transcoded).
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> The effect was always visible with a 30-second sample, and I
also made
>>>>>>> >>>>> additional tests with 2-minute samples.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> It would also be interesting to test this from a VmWare VM.
If someone
>>>>>>> >>>>> wants to run such a test, feel free to contact me directly.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> >>>>> stan
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
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