[Freeswitch-users] Playback race condition

Anthony Minessale anthony.minessale at gmail.com
Tue Nov 22 02:28:06 MSK 2011 

Your tone has changed to be unsatisfactorily arrogant to warrant my
attention.  Please refrain from any more disrespectful analogies.
It would be like you came to a free forum to get help on a free software
then questioned the response from the guy who designed it..... oh wait
that's not an analogy that's what you are doing!


If you sent sendevent with execute to send the playback then sent another
one to execute break all (Assuming you did not have event_lock header which
will force it to execute each instruction one at a time) it would indeed
execute in order.

You asked about using broadcast and uuid_break (broadcast is the same as
sendmsg + execute) uuid_break is instant real time call so if you broadcast
then uuid_break the break will easily beat the queuing.

BTW I have 3 TV in my house all of which require you to wait for them to
come all the way up to shut them back down.




On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Hynek Cihlar <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>wrote:

> I send execute playback at time t0. I send execute break all also at time
> t0. Execute playback is queued in the channel queue. Execute break all is
> also queued in the channel queue. Channel thread picks up the execute
> playback, posts the execute notification, playback is queued for playback.
> Channel thread picks up the execute break all command...
>
> Now, what is the particular reason that channel thread cannot stop the
> initiated playback?
>
> Having to wait for the execute notification to be able to stop the
> playback makes the esl protocol unnecessary complicated. It's like having
> to wait for a TV to come up to be able to turn it off.
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 18:01, Anthony Minessale <anthony.minessale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> execute over event socket does the same thing as broadcast:
>
> The channel is very busy, its doing I/O in a very critical loop in its own
> thread.
> You cannot simply gain access to it and make it start executing your
> application because then it would be doing it inside that other thread and
> possibly stopping it when it's supposed to be doing something else.
>
> Instead the instruction is queued to the channel and the channel does
> periodic calls to see if it has any tasks to execute when its tolerable to
> perform such a task and also ensuring its carried out in it's own dedicated
> session thread.
>
> From the time you send the command there is an expected latency until the
> command is actually executed.  From your application you should send the
> command then wait until you receive the channel_execute corresponding to
> the desired command before continuing and having clearance to send the
> uuid_break.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Hynek Cihlar < <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So why would the bgapi uuid_break all fail if it queues the same way as
>> execute does?
>>
>> Hynek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Anthony Minessale <<anthony.minessale at gmail.com>
>> anthony.minessale at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every way you are discussing does it the same way, doing it over bgapi
>>> just wastes an extra thread for no reason.
>>>
>>> All of the above queue the command to the session and it will not
>>> execute it until the next time its convenient for the session to execute
>>> queued instructions.
>>>
>>> So any way you slice it, unless you wait for the execute event telling
>>> you that the playback you tried to start, has actually started then its not
>>> going to help.
>>>
>>> You are most likely trying to had implement some convention that is
>>> dumbed down to one command already in FS so I suggest you re-evaluate what
>>> you are even trying to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Hynek Cihlar < <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I changed the uuid_X-commands to execute and the use case with
>>>> stopping tone playback works like a charm now!
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the blocking, you are right. I'm limiting blocking (and
>>>> context switching) by handling all events and issuing commands always on
>>>> one (and the same) thread per session. This design also allows me to
>>>> simplify the programming model, decrease concurrency bugs, simplify
>>>> debugging, etc. That's why the synthetic delay was giving me troubles since
>>>> the events and commands must fly through as fast as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>
>>>> Hynek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Peter Olsson <<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bgapi can of course be used also, and in some cases you might still
>>>>> need it. But the important thing to keep in mind when doing bgapi is to
>>>>> handle the events correctly. When executing bgapi you will get a job-id
>>>>> back, this job id must then be stored internally, so you can link this to
>>>>> the background job event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to use the sendMsg/execute as much as possible, you will get
>>>>> CHANNEL_EXECUTE/CHANNEL_EXECUTE_COMPLETE events, so you will always know
>>>>> what's going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only tested my system for about 100 concurrent calls, but that
>>>>> was handled without any problems at all. What's really important is to make
>>>>> really sure you never execute something that will block - since that will
>>>>> cause everything to "hang".
>>>>>
>>>>> /Peter
>>>>> ________________________________________
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>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org [<freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org] f&#246;r Hynek Cihlar [<hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com]
>>>>> Skickat: den 19 november 2011 10:04
>>>>> Till: FreeSWITCH Users Help
>>>>> Ämne: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Playback race condition
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter, thanks for pointing me to the right direction. I will try the
>>>>> execute command, since queueing is exactly what I would need to preserve
>>>>> consistency across commands (I had an impression that bgapi will give me
>>>>> this consistency).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also I like to hear that it is possible to use a single connection
>>>>> since I have designed the communication with one connection also. May I ask
>>>>> how many concurrent sessions can your system handle?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hynek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Peter Olsson <<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se<mailto:<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>> wrote:
>>>>> If you think about performance I would say it's better to handle this
>>>>> without spawning lots of extra threads.
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, most common commands can be queued into the the channel
>>>>> thread using the execute method (<http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_event_socket#execute>
>>>>> http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_event_socket#execute), this makes
>>>>> it possible to queue commands directly to the channel's thread, and the ESL
>>>>> session will never wait for the result, it returns immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never used uuid_broadcast myself, so I'm not really sure how it's
>>>>> handled, but by looking quickly in the code it looks like it shouldn't
>>>>> block either, since it's actually just queuing a playback command to the
>>>>> channel's thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> So basically, keep away from uuid_X-commands, and use execute method
>>>>> as much as possible, and when using uuid_x-methods, make sure that won't
>>>>> block - but if they do, make sure to handle handle the events for the bgapi
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've built a complete IVR system using these methods, with a single
>>>>> ESL connection, and I've never had any performace issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Peter
>>>>>
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>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>] f&#246;r Hynek Cihlar
>>>>> [ <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto:<hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>]
>>>>> Skickat: den 19 november 2011 09:12
>>>>> Till: FreeSWITCH Users Help
>>>>> Ämne: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Playback race condition
>>>>>
>>>>> Two reasons I am not using api in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Performance
>>>>> 2. Doesn't seem to work
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Blocking issuing the command will eventually reduce the system
>>>>> throughput. Agree this is only a potential theoretical problem and I
>>>>> haven't gotten into production where I could get the actual results.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. When issuing api uuid_playback and api uuid_break right after, I'm
>>>>> always getting an error response from the uuid_break. The ESL message body
>>>>> is "-ERR no reply". Nothing in the logs (no idea which log type/level will
>>>>> could generate other useful info).
>>>>>
>>>>> Hynek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Peter Olsson <<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se<mailto:<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se><mailto:<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se<mailto:<peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>
>>>>> peter.olsson at visionutveckling.se>>> wrote:
>>>>> Since you're using bgapi, it's impossible to guarantee that
>>>>> uuid_broadcast has actually executed before you exeute uuid_break (they
>>>>> will be executed in two different threads). You will have to do this in a
>>>>> more controlled way (wait for events to show up etc.). And also, do you
>>>>> really need to use bgapi all the time? I'm not sure how uuid_broadcast is
>>>>> handled, but uuid_break is totally safe to use without bgapi, since it will
>>>>> just update a flag and then return immediately. I think uuid_broadcast will
>>>>> do the same thing - so getting rid of bgapi should be a good ebnough
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Peter
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>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>> [<freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org<mailto:<freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org><mailto:<freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>
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>>>>> freeswitch-users-bounces at lists.freeswitch.org>>] f&#246;r Hynek
>>>>> Cihlar [ <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto:<hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com><mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>>]
>>>>> Skickat: den 19 november 2011 08:31
>>>>> Till: FreeSWITCH Users Help
>>>>> Ämne: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Playback race condition
>>>>>
>>>>> As a workaround I put a synthetic a delay between the start and stop
>>>>> of the playback. I wouldn't want to keep this solution however since it
>>>>> blocks one of the worker threads (decreasing overall system throughput) and
>>>>> second, I really don't know what the synthetic delay should be or whether
>>>>> it could differ during different conditions like during a high load.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was anybody facing similar problem? How did you solve it? Am I using
>>>>> the API wrong and is there another way to invoke playback/stop?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Hynek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Hynek Cihlar <<hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com><mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>><mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com><mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com<mailto: <hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>
>>>>> hynek.cihlar at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I got on shaky grounds issuing commands to Freeswitch over ESL.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, issuing the following commands close enough (on my system
>>>>> at around 100 ms and less) causes troubles.
>>>>>
>>>>> bgapi uuid_broadcast 71f8f250-8ad6-4ab3-855a-3cbc71075fe2
>>>>> playback::tone_stream://%(150,4000,425);loops=-1
>>>>> <100ms appart
>>>>> bgapi uuid_break 71f8f250-8ad6-4ab3-855a-3cbc71075fe2 all
>>>>> previous playback is not stopped, the following is queued (not played)
>>>>> bgapi uuid_broadcast 71f8f250-8ad6-4ab3-855a-3cbc71075fe2
>>>>> playback::tone_stream://%(1000,4000,425);loops=-1
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like the first tone playback is not properly initialized when
>>>>> the break arrives. Waiting for the start of the first tone playback
>>>>> (waiting for the right event) is not a solution, I don't want the tone to
>>>>> be played at all if the events come this close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hynek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Anthony Minessale II

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