<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have OS X 10.6-10.10 (safari), Linux (firefox), Windows XP (firefox and IE), and even…. OS/2 browsers. Remember you can’t please all of the people all of the time. Although I prefer the fonts I listed I can certainly live with what we have. Balance the wiki visual appearance with complexity and maintenance…..<div class="">Mario<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Bote Man <<a href="mailto:bote_radio@botecomm.com" class="">bote_radio@botecomm.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Yes, of course. But it is not enough for me to view a variety of pages to check them for sanity. Other browsers and other operating systems might present the page differently than what I see here. People will freak out if I make a change that looks OK for me, but others might not see the same thing that I do. That's the tricky part of CSS and why we should keep the changes small and simple. The Confluence help text has many warnings so I want to proceed with caution.<br class=""><br class="">I would like to coordinate with you, Mario, and any others who have many different browsers and operating systems available to get everybody on irc at one time. After I am ready to test a change I will announce it on the irc channel and ask everybody to view a number of pages to see if they look sane. If not, I can roll it back immediately.<br class=""><br class="">This will not be today, I will let you know.<br class=""><br class="">Bote<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a> [mailto:freeswitch-<br class=""><a href="mailto:docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin<br class="">Sent: Monday, 15 June, 2015 10:24<br class="">To: FreeSWITCH Docs Team<br class="">Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-docs] Black background in code snippets<br class=""><br class="">or just make a backup and roll back if needed :)<br class=""><br class="">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bote Man <<a href="mailto:bote_radio@botecomm.com" class="">bote_radio@botecomm.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">This is the introductory help text that worries me:<br class=""><br class="">"You can customize the look and feel of Confluence by editing the global<br class=""></blockquote>stylesheet. This will also _overwrite all styles defined in custom global<br class="">themes_.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Please note that the custom global stylesheet will not be applied to spaces<br class=""></blockquote>that define their own custom stylesheet or are using a theme."<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Knowing how obtuse Confluence can be I want to research this to get it<br class=""></blockquote>right so I don't wipe out the style sheet for the entire site, although I see a<br class="">change I made a few months ago to make text wrap inside the code snippet<br class="">macros and it didn't seem to affect everything else in Confluence. I just don't<br class="">trust it any farther than I can throw it.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Since today is already spoken for I won't be able to mess with this right<br class=""></blockquote>away. The Confluence user help forums can often provide a wealth of<br class="">information so that's where I will start.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Bote<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a> [mailto:freeswitch-<br class=""><a href="mailto:docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin<br class="">Sent: Monday, 15 June, 2015 10:01<br class="">To: FreeSWITCH Docs Team<br class="">Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-docs] Black background in code snippets<br class=""><br class="">Monospace is completely fine -- probably it makes sense to make the<br class="">default font one size point smaller.<br class=""><br class="">I just want a readable document, as it's not a terminal screen and not<br class="">a Emacs window (I actually use Emacs, but with white background and<br class="">syntax hiliting turned off :-)<br class=""><br class="">Also it would be cool to have it printer-friendly, although it's<br class="">ridiculous to print those pages out :)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Bote Man<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><<a href="mailto:bote_radio@botecomm.com" class="">bote_radio@botecomm.com</a>><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I don’t know what fonts we have available.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Plus, each operating system and browser family has its own different<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>set of<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">fonts only some of which intersect.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Confluence limits what we can do, so don’t get your hopes too high. It’s<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>a<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">blunt instrument.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Bote<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">From: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">[<a href="mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Mario<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2015 14:44<br class="">To: FreeSWITCH Docs Team<br class="">Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-docs] Black background in code snippets<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Another possibility to provide better reading is to use a thicker font<br class="">without serifs for the white letters. Keep in mind that on terminal<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>sessions<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">the letters are typically monospaced. Below are what it looks like now<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>and a<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">a couple of samples to demonstrate, I kept the point since the same<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>(14)<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">but<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">notice how they still take the same space. I wrote many computer<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>books<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">for<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">classes and had a lot of experience testing fonts and found non-serif<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>best<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">for commands/etc.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote>Current what I see now in Confluence - Courier New (note serifs):<div class=""><div class="alt2 line number3 index2" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px 1em 0px 0px !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; background-color: black !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; line-height: 20px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; font-family: Consolas, 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', Courier, monospace !important; font-size: 14px !important; min-height: inherit !important; white-space: nowrap !important;"><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Consolas, 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', Courier, monospace !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;">sudo chown -R yourname:yourgroup local # Modify the owner of the /usr/local directory to yours</code></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andale Mono (no serifs):</div><div class=""><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;"><div class="alt2 line number3 index2" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px 1em 0px 0px !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; background-color: black !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; line-height: 20px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; white-space: nowrap !important;"><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;"><font face="Andale Mono" class="" style="font-size: 14px;">sudo chown -R yourname:yourgroup local # Modify the owner of the /usr/local directory to yours</font></code></div><div class="" style="font-family: Consolas, 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', Courier, monospace !important;"><code class="xml plain" style="font-family: Consolas, 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Courier New', Courier, monospace !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important;"><br class=""></code></div></code></div><div class=""><div class="">Monaco (I use this a lot in books for this purpose):</div><div class=""><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;"><div class="alt2 line number3 index2" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); margin: 0px !important; padding: 0px 1em 0px 0px !important; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; background-color: black !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; line-height: 20px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; font-size: 14px !important; min-height: inherit !important; white-space: nowrap !important;"><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;"><font face="Monaco" class="">sudo chown -R yourname:yourgroup local # Modify the owner of the /usr/local directory to yours</font></code></div><div class=""><code class="xml plain" style="white-space: pre-wrap; border-top-left-radius: 0px !important; border-top-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-right-radius: 0px !important; border-bottom-left-radius: 0px !important; background-image: none !important; border: 0px !important; bottom: auto !important; float: none !important; height: auto !important; left: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; outline: 0px !important; overflow: visible !important; padding: 0px !important; position: static !important; right: auto !important; top: auto !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; box-sizing: content-box !important; min-height: inherit !important; color: rgb(211, 211, 211) !important;"><font face="Monaco" class=""><br class=""></font></code></div></code></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Mario G<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Jun 14, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin <<a href="mailto:ssinyagin@gmail.com" class="">ssinyagin@gmail.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">the problem is, that the black code snippets pop out and my eyes have<br class="">difficulty to actually detect the text on the page -- especially if<br class="">there are lots of code snippets. The brain gets too much distraction<br class="">and it's difficult to find the desired part on the screen.<br class=""><br class="">The old wiki had a light-grey background for source code, and that was<br class="">quite perfect.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Bote Man<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><<a href="mailto:bote_radio@botecomm.com" class="">bote_radio@botecomm.com</a>><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Really, it is the contrast between white characters and black<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>background. I<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">simply chose that emacs theme to emulate a "glass tty", and Anthony is<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>a<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">huge emacs fan.<br class=""><br class="">All the other choices are either black or white background, so not much<br class="">choice. It's nice to make it stand out from narrative text, however.<br class=""><br class="">We could change the style sheet if I can ever figure out how. I haven't<br class="">pursued it because there is a warning in the help about superseding<br class="">everything else. I don't know if they mean it supersedes the affected<br class="">element across the whole Confluence site or if it wipes out the entire<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>style<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">sheet except for the changes. Knowing how stupid Confluence can be in<br class=""></blockquote>other<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">areas I wouldn't be surprised if it's the latter.<br class=""><br class="">I'll see about a soft charcoal color, or maybe a baby blue. :-)<br class=""><br class="">Bote<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">freeswitch-docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>[mailto:freeswitch-<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><a href="mailto:docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">docs-bounces@lists.freeswitch.org</a>] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin<br class="">Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2015 10:35<br class="">To: FreeSWITCH Docs Team<br class="">Subject: [Freeswitch-docs] Black background in code snippets<br class=""><br class="">Maybe we change the default black background to something less<br class="">annoying? it really distracts from reading.<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org<br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org<br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org<br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Freeswitch-docs mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org" class="">Freeswitch-docs@lists.freeswitch.org</a><br class="">http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-docs<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>